Are The Tme Statements important in the Sriptures?

Prophecy Quiz

Be diligent to come to me quickly . . . . (2 Tim 4:9)

In the above verse Paul:

A. wants Timothy to join him as soon as possible

B. doesn’t care when Timothy comes, he just wants Timothy to travel rapidly once he departs

Without doubt, Paul desired Timothy to join him as soon as possible. In fact, the second option appears laughable and not really an option at all. But is this not exactly how some want us to understand the following?

He who testifies to these things says, “Surely I am coming quickly.” Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus!

Both instances of “quickly” in these verses come from the same root in the Greek. Yet, in order to avoid the obvious implication that Jesus claimed He was coming soon, there are those who would have us believe that Jesus was not proclaiming when He was coming, but how—rapidly. His Second Coming might not occur until centuries after He spoke these words, but once it commenced it would not be a drawn-out affair—it would occur rapidly! Would we accept that meaning for quickly in Paul’s request of Timothy? If not, then perhaps we should question that meaning for Jesus’ statement in Revelation.

• G5030
  ταχέως
  tacheōs
  takh-eh'-oce
  Adverb from G5036; briefly, that is, (in time) speedily, or (in manner) rapidly: - hastily, quickly, shortly, soon, suddenly.
  
  
• G5035
  ταχύ
  tachu
  takh-oo'
  Neuter singular of G5036 (as adverb); shortly, that is, without delay, soon, or (by surprise) suddenly, or (by implication of ease) readily: - lightly, quickly.
  
  
• G5036
  ταχύς
  tachus
  takh-oos'
  Of uncertain affinity; fleet, that is, (figuratively) prompt or ready: - swift.

There are true heretics in any group

UNIVERSALISM =
Unbiblical Nonsense Is Venturing Economically
Religiously Selfishly And Loosing Increasingly Scriptural Meaning

I cannot say how much i agree with Dan Habermann when at the end of his comment he makes it so plain and so very simple by saying that there can be found "Heretics" in any group.

Dan Habermann said...

Roderick,

I have been studying your "unpreterization" process and have come to some conclusions. The problem with FP in the present church age is that FP and Arminianism do not mix. When mixed it leads straight to Universalism if all aspects of the doctrine are taken to their endpoints. When I was at the 1st Carlsbad conference, Todd Dennis was supposed to speak about the Dead Sea Scrolls. Instead he unveiled the PretIdeal concept. This coincided with John Noe's Christ many comings theory. The moderator Kurt Simmons should have stopped them from speaking about this. No one did. It would be awesome to imagine FP had a non-fractured leadership and a common creed disallowing these non-Christian ideas to propagate. I have also found that most of these people who are attacking FP are doing so from emotional response to their own problems. One example, who I hope you will not associate with, is Scott Thompson's blog site http://preteristheresy.blogspot.com. He is also known as New Creation. He certainly is not a voice for Christianity. If you look at his site you would want to change religions.

Again, like Todd Dennis, he has personal issues that have caused an emotional theology. FP does not say that the law was abolished, it was fulfilled. Do you see the point? If you were an Arminian of better yet a Dispy, you could never understand this.

The problem in America is the loss of reformed theology. Most reformed church members have no understanding of what Luther accomplished besides the abolition of the Pope and Indulgences. This weak theology then renders most reformed church members Universalists. They do not understand Limited Atonement, etc.

To promote FP to anyone
except those who have fully embraced Reformed theology
will lead them to a destructive state.

It is too bad that people like Don Preston will not say that Annihilationism is false. If you are a true Calvinist and abide by the doctrine you are safe from Universalism after becoming a FP. I challenge anyone to show how this could happen and how it could diminish their faith. Scott Thompson repeatedly states that FP are heretics. He is partially right. There are true heretics in any group. Where in your Calvinism have you gone astray to say that FP leads to Universalism?

Dan

January 17, 2008 8:12 PM

Read the comments on Roderick's site under the article "Unpreterizing Yourself: How did you get here?" and see how both Josh and Kurt go at it in refuting one another. Even though i am a Preterist, I do not support the arminian doctrine that Kurt holds to but please see how Kurt and Josh go at it in their comments to one another.

There will always be differances in the church, as well as in the reformed churches at there, but if Josh's comments must be true then why not also damn the dispensationalist, the pre-millennial view and many others instead of just the Preterist alone. I am sure that the more you will come to the conclusion in the pre millennial view you can see that Christ was said to postpone His kingdom when i Mark 1:15 He made it plane and clear that it was at hand.

I strongly think this fight on Preterism needs to end. There will always be those who creep in the back door with false doctrine for as Dan made it so simple to see "there are true heretics within any group."

Here Preterism is shouting out that Christ has kept His word while secretly the dispensationalist are labeling Christ as the biggest failure who had to move from plan A to plan B. And, even worse still, the dispensationalist labels those who do not support Israel as an Anti-semitic but if you look deeper in the the eyes of dispensationalism, the windows of it's soul, you will see that they are committing the act of pre mediated murder of the very Jews they claim to support since in their doctrine two thirds of them must die...it is almost like David who sent Bathsheba's husband to the front lines to die.

2 Sam 11:14 In the morning David wrote a letter to Joab and sent it by the hand of Uriah. 15 In the letter he wrote, “Set Uriah in the forefront of the hardest fighting, and then draw back from him, that he may be struck down, and die.” 16 And as Joab was besieging the city, he assigned Uriah to the place where he knew there were valiant men. 17 And the men of the city came out and fought with Joab, and some of the servants of David among the people fell. Uriah the Hittite also died.

Let always the scripture be our final authority.

“Reformed and always reforming according to the word of God” is the full phrase that is often used to describe what it means to be a Presbyterian. We change. Our views change, our polity changes, and our theology changes over time. “According to the word of God” is a check on change. We don’t just change for the sake of change but we change in light of the presence of ongoing divine revelation. That is my phrase. Calvin would say that we must be reformed by scripture.

Eph 3 :21 Unto him be glory in the Church
by Christ Jesus throughout all ages
World Without End Amen

ANTI Towards the Anti-Preterist

Proverbs 13:12
Hope deferred makes the heart sick,
but a longing fulfilled is a tree of life.

This site is dedicated to the brothers/sisters who are running scared from the Preterist point of view. Brothers and sisters are running scared because of the trash that has entered into this position, and it is only a position, towards a person's eschatological stance.

Is not it high time that we clean house!

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People such as Gene Cook, Gary North, Kenneth L Gentry Jr., R.C. Sproul, Gary DeMar and so forth are great brothers in the Lord, but when it comes to the Preterist point of view, and a Preterist:

"...according to Webster's Unabridged Universal Dictionary, is "a theologian who believes that the prophecies of the Apocalypse have already been fulfilled" (Source: WordNet ® 1.6, ©1997 Princeton University). Yes, a Preterist believes that all Bible prophecy has been fulfilled. Let that sink in for a moment.... For most people, this is a shocking statement. One that causes an immediate reaction, usually negative. That's too bad, because the Scriptures are very clear as to the timing of its prophecies. Shouldn't we expect God's Word to be understandable?"

these brothers of ours are not a preterist but still a futurist which is why they call themselves a "Partial Preterist."

When "Partial Preterist," such as Gene Cook and Kenneth L. Gentry Jr., come to attack those of us who are Preterist they will label us a such like "Full," "Hyper" and even worse still "a heretic."